Libertarian Paradise - Interview with the First President of Liberland

Finance Magnates visited the 'Liberthon' last week - a development competition for governance software for the Free Republic of Liberland.

It was hosted by Spacemesh, a Smart Contract Blockchain platform in development, and Liberland, a micro-state founded in April 2015 on an unclaimed parcel of land between Croatia and Serbia. It was created by Vít Jedlička, a Czech politician and activist.

Whilst there, we interviewed Jedlička about politics, cryptocurrency, and his plans for Liberland.

The Hackathon

According to Tomer Weiss, one of the organisers of the event, fifteen teams were competing. Thirteen of them presented a service based on peer-to-peer/blockchain technology, focusing on digital identity, voting, privacy, and finance.

"Most of the projects worked with the API of Spacemesh and Liberland, with the goal of creating applications that would serve as the infrastructure for tomorrow's countries while empowering individual rights," he said.

Contestants were competing for a pot of 18,000 shekels and 30,000 Liberland Merits - the national cryptocurrency of Liberland. After 27 hours of programming, the three winners of the competition were:

Wist (won 10,000 ILS and 15,000 Liberland Merits) - a blockchain-based ID application. It stores a minimum amount of user information openly and encrypts the rest. At the hackathon, it produced an application for anonymous voting.

Nessy (won 5,000 ILS and 10,000 Liberland Merits) - an application that deals with self-sovereign identity, or SSI. Networked SSI allows anyone to issue a certificate via an extension to Google Chrome.

Libescrow (won 3,000 ILS and 5,000 Liberland Merits) - an application that uses blockchain to act as an online escrow service. It improves the expensive, slow process with a smart contract - requiring arbitration costs only in cases of dispute, enforcing rulings, and making it easier to choose/switch arbitrator.

About Liberland

The Free Republic of Liberland - motto "To Live and Let Live" - is situated on a seven-kilometre square piece of land which has been

uninhabited and unclaimed since the dissolution of Yugoslavia in 1991.

Its ideology is libertarian - limited government and total respect for private property. Taxation is to be voluntary.

The territory remains uninhabited; Jedlička, the first elected president, has been arrested more than once by Croatian authorities upon trying to enter. Nonetheless, more than half a million people have signed up for citizenship.

Finance Magnates sat down for a conversation with Jedlička.

How did your experience of communism influence your political views?

"I would say strongly, because I can understand how much can go wrong if the government is not rational, and if strange beliefs are followed by society.

A lot of things changed right after the fall of communism. A lot of things became better. As we started to again approach the Western lifestyle, I was thinking 'why don't we go all the way?' If a little bit of freedom can bring so much prosperity and happiness, why don't we just follow the countries that are the leaders in this - why not create another Switzerland in Europe? The idea is to create a nation full of people that like liberty.

It really scares me how communist ideas are coming through the back door, especially in countries which didn't go through the experience. For example, how communist ideas are now popular in the United States, the land of the free. Even in the European Union, the founders are openly communist, and they are now seen as the heroes."

Is Liberland intended to be a protest or a legitimate country?

"No it is not a protest, from the very beginning it was a serious nation-building effort. We decided that we will build a country, and this territory was the best fit for it."

I ask because you've been arrested several times trying to get there.

"Yes, but how many people got arrested building the State of Israel?"

Israel had support from international organisations...

"I just came from the US Congress, putting forward a proposition to recognise Liberland, and on the 4th of December, we have a big diplomatic event at the European Parliament. So we are by no means ignoring diplomacy, it is one of the three key elements of success.

Another is a very good system of governance, and we are using decentralised technology to build up the best possible transparent and centralised government in Liberland. Another is a strong local presence - all these elements are coming together in time for Liberland's fourth anniversary."

What kind of support do you have?

"There is very strong support from all around the world. Of course, we have lots of support from the United States - 16,000 people applied for citizenship if I'm not mistaken, and 4,000 people here in Israel."

Which countries are more approving of the idea?

"We are happy that Serbia doesn't mind the creation of Liberland, and they are very supportive on the local level. We have a very strong relationship with the local municipality, and we are collaborating on a number of levels, including for example the buildup of a free trade zone.

But also lots of people behind the scenes - one of the most locally supportive politicians in the parliament now is Ivan Pernar [of Croatia, Human Shield party].

But actually, support comes really from all sides of the political spectrum, which is kind of surprising. Right now we are organising an event at the European Parliament - we've got four members from different factions working together to make it happen. The first member of the EU parliament that came to visit us was from the European People's Party."

Why did you decide to use your own currency, and not use an existing one?

"We are using existing crypto from the very beginning. Liberland Merits are basically tokens, but they have multiple uses. If you stake them, they become your share in Liberland, you can vote with it, you can make decisions, and it also becomes your collateral in our justice system.

We currently have commitments from several major crypto exchanges, and we are very happy that Bancor is part of our representative office here in Israel."

Should poor people not get a say in the running of a state?

"They have two things - they are citizens, but they also have to have the minimum state Merits to be citizens - that's 5000 Merits - which gives them the right as a citizen to veto decisions by government. But the positive decisions we want to only be created by the Merit holders.

We really believe that if you give the majority a possibility to decide, then it always leads to more redistribution basically, and less prosperity in society. If we give the majority the possibility to veto stuff, just like in Switzerland, usually the majority is very good at pulling down the stupid decisions that the government comes up with."

What if a successful business decides that it doesn't want to pay tax?"

"That's OK completely, taxes in Liberland are voluntary - it's a matter of reputation, and a decision to actively take part in the decision-making process.

I think it's about time we create a system of governance which is based on voluntarism, not based on the fact that you give certain people in society the right to take money from the rest of the group. This will optimise the amount of government that we're getting and will create an additional value because of this voluntarism that we've introduced into the relationship between government and citizen."

Where exactly is tax paid to?

"Right now we are building a DAO, and it will be directly holding the funds, and redistributing the funds to different state budgets and to the government."

Such as for building roads?

"Yes it can be, but we are more expecting this to be built by private investors. We are forbidden directly by the constitution to organise healthcare; we are strong believers that healthcare is one of the areas where the private sector is much more efficient."

Including for the poor?

"Of course, the poor family will have to rely on charity, but if you have a very successful and prosperous society, charity is able to take care of this.

There is also a small element of universal basic income - if you become a Liberlander you must stake at least 5000 Merits, but if you decide, you can un-stake them, and that will give you kind of a passive income which you can use in times of crisis to cover your needs. If you don't have any insurance, if you don't have any family to take care of you, and there is no church or charity to take care of you, you'll still have a last resort, which is when you decide to basically give up your shares in Liberland. You lose your right as a citizen to vote, but you don't lose your citizenship."

Could Liberland have existed 25 years ago?

"25 years ago, without the internet, it would be hard, but it could exist. But right now is the best time for the building of new countries - Liberland has inspired a couple of initiatives to build new countries already, and I think that we will see many more to come, especially from within the crypto community.

For example, there was a rumour that Binance was going to set up its own country. It was just a rumour, but when something like that happens, it will be a lot of fun because we will have a lot of these private countries around the world, and I think that the time is opening for that. Binance never claimed statehood; their users are not citizens. There is governance, and they have representatives around the world, but in order to have a country, you really have to have a nation to build on. But Binance, of course, has other advantages - one of them being an excessive amount of money.

But I hope that we will attract companies like Binance to set up a branch in Liberland. I think that if it was physically possible, Binance would already be based in Liberland."

What did you want to achieve with this hackathon? What will the winner get?

"There are a lot of the interesting projects that I've have the chance to talk to, they are building a decentralised autonomous government as a service platform, fine-tuned for states, and they are quite advanced, which is fun. I'm happy for these guys to form as a Liberland startup. It will be under our Liberland jurisdiction, which will allow other states to incorporate them too.

The winner gets the bonus that they can incorporate as a DAO in Liberland for free."

Please tell us about the Liberland Merit. Will it have a cap?

"There is a cap. We want to issue no more than 700 million tokens, which means that the number of citizens will be capped at 140,000. So Liberland citizenship is not for everybody, but what we are planning to do is open up an e-residency platform for everybody. Citizenship will be reserved for, let's say, early birds."

E-residency?

"E-residency will give you a wallet, where you will be able to keep Merits, stake them, and also keep your identity there and use it with other institutions, or even states. You will have in your wallet basically all of your documents, including Liberland documents, and you will be able to authorise them, using Trezor for example, and use it to authorise yourself at exchanges, banks. We hope that you will be able to use your e-residency to open a bank account in other countries.

All countries are basically platforms for KYC [know your customer]. When a country issues someone a document, it's basically guaranteeing that he behaves, and if he doesn't then, he is listed. So countries are memberships in a way, a KYC guarantor.

You will also get an e-residency card; we will have the first ones issued in two weeks from now. If you ever come to Liberland office - right now we are opening one in Prague, Dubai, Belgrade, and Liberland - you can get your documents in ten minutes.

Our wallet is already connected to five decentralised exchanges, I cannot name them yet, but they just made integration. I would say we are more relying on the decentralised exchanges than the major ones, and it's more in line with our ideology.

DAOstack is a key partner for building up this smart contract - the Liberland Merit is not a simple token, it has many special features, and we want to have the best partner, which we believe DAOstack is. We are here to finalise the agreement."